Historisch : Das Feuerschlagen mit dem Schlageisen

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Another thread with alot of expertise!

When watching one published here above (this one), I found some similarity with the one in my collection I used to believe to be from Asian origin. Any thoughts? European instead?
firesteel 1.jpg
It misses part of the brass enhancement on the fornt as well as on the rear:
firesteel 2.jpg
Also here, I oiled many times the leather, but it remains fragile, so this is the best I can give of a view of the inside:
firesteel 3.jpg
This other example is clearly a Tibetan, which I also had identified as possibly 19th or early 20th Century, unless proved wrong if you know better?
firesteel 5.jpg
firesteel 4.jpg
Rear:
firesteel 6.jpg
Inside:
firesteel 7.jpg
And then I have this one. I didn't research it in any depth, so I welcome any comment or identification clue.
firesteel 8.jpg
firesteel 9.jpg
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Hi Patrick.

The geograhical origin of the firesteel with pouch that you’ve mentioned was my attempt to classify this piece. There’s absolutely no garanty that i’m right. The reasons for classifying as „continental europe“ have been that the fittings and decorations are made of iron/steel/silver instead of brass or tin and that the leather is way thinner than all my comparable Chuckmucks are which are made of leather from the Yak.

Concerning your last firesteel… In this section of collectibles we have to learn that in very most times a classification will not be successful. If you don’t have the luck that you find a comparable piece in a catalogue of an museum or something in this way a close classification is very difficult. Forms and materials of firesteels appeared in quite similar ways all over the world and also the period of using firesteels is very long.

In case of your firesteel we have some luck because it is described in literature. Your firesteel is typical afghanian and was made in the 19th century. It was used for muzzleloader rifles like the jezail and there’s probably one thing missing. I think there should be a needle to clean the touch hole. But, nevertheless, a wonderfull piece of history. Congrats.

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Thanks! :thumbup:
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Hallo in die Runde.

Das nächste Stück welches ich hier zeigen möchte besitzt einen kleinen Hauch von Multifunktion.
Es handelt sich um eine Kombi aus Tinder Box und Match Safe mit den Abmaßen 63x28x11 mm.

Ausgestattet ist an den Außenseiten mit einer Reibfläche und einem Feuerstahl.
Im Kästchen selbst kann man in getrennten Fächern sowohl Streichhölzer als auch Feuerstein und Zunder aufbewahren um so auf verschiedenen Wegen Feuer zu machen.

Das Messingkästchen weist noch Restspuren einer Vernickelung auf, die aufgebrachten Dekorationen sind nachträglich angebracht worden.
Zeitlich dürften wir uns hier in der zweiten Hälfte des 19. Jahrhunderts bewegen.

Viele Grüße
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Hi, Patrick,
please find attached an Article regarding your last shown item.
What Hesse said about it is right.

The article is from January 1997 from the second Issue of the quarterly newsletter from former well known Collectors Club "Spark International".
Good for you, its in german and english.

Remember the days we had almost no internet???? Wasnt all bad... :lol:
The_unmasked_Fire_Hammer.PDF
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Thanks!

Not a firesteel thus.

I reckon that looking at it from that perspective, I can see the multipurpose tool.
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